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    Created by: DESmon
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Jun-24-2008 04:30PM DESmon   847759
Jun-24-2008 04:24PM pommie   847756
Jun-24-2008 04:12PM xcc_rider Edited: Jun-24-2008 04:14PM   847752
Jun-24-2008 03:49PM DESmon   847742
Jun-24-2008 03:39PM pommie   847737
Jun-24-2008 01:03PM DESmon   847701
Jun-24-2008 12:45PM Se7en   847694
Jun-24-2008 12:13PM pommie   847685
Jun-24-2008 11:58AM DESmon   847681
Jun-24-2008 11:45AM pommie   847679
Jun-24-2008 07:52AM Cup Cake   847612
Jun-24-2008 07:39AM DESmon   847606
Jun-24-2008 07:30AM fishingka   847603
Jun-24-2008 06:57AM xcc_rider   847596
Jun-24-2008 04:49AM pommie   847574
Jun-23-2008 10:13PM Cheese~   847546
Jun-23-2008 09:25PM IK   847537
Jun-23-2008 09:12PM DESmon   847536

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 Posted: Jun-24-2008 04:30PM
DESmon
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Thanks!

I'll look into it. It may pay off in the long run.

Dan 

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 04:24PM
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Dan, just went to your website in your profile - cool stuff. Also, if you work from home then your golden, no commuting = classic car insurance!

Happiness is a full can of high build primer

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 04:12PM
 Edited:  Jun-24-2008 04:14PM
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Give it some thought, Classic Car Insurance isn't as bad as it sounds. Hagerty Insurance is highly recommended and does limit the driving mileage but never checks on the actual miles driven. They know it's a classic car and we're not driving them 30,000 miles a year. 6000miles a year isn't a big deal and there could be a local insurance company that can handle it all for you too. 

Try contacting Michael in the thread link below and talk to him, you might be happy(r) in the end not having to smog the car.    dan

"I don't know much, but what I do know I know little of "

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 03:49PM
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No worries. I didn't take offense. I wish the Classic Insurance route would work for me.

Worst case, since its titled a '79, if I spend over $300 fix it and it fails again, I can get a waiver for a year. That will buy me some time to get all figured out. 

On a happier note, I did get my title today! One step closer.

Dan 

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 03:39PM
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Sorry Dan, didn't meant to sounds so negative. If you have a stock motor then you shouldn't have any problems. Its when the motor has been modified that the emissions problems can be tough to conquer - also if you have to pass the post '74 requirements.

The cat/pipe is here if you need it.

Si

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 Posted: Jun-24-2008 01:03PM
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Well, I'm taking it in tomorrow to a shop. I talked at length with the owner of the shop and he seemed very nice. He has a 72 year old mechanic who's been working on British cars his whole life. He assures me we can get it dialed in.

As far as the emissions go, I actually pased on the idle test. It was under load I failed. Which shows a rich mixture. Also, its hunting when idling in drive. I'll take it in and see what they say. I would love to do it myself, but I just don't have the tools or know how yet. Ill get there eventually.

Thanks everyone,
Dan

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 12:45PM
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Reach out to the greater LBC community in Phoenix - all marque clubs and geneal British car clubs.  Perhaps they have experience and/or referrals to share regarding the process and helpful shops or hobbyists

SE7EN

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 12:13PM
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no worries. I have not used CM so cant comment on them personally, anywhere you go its going to cost some dough. I really think you should reconsider not using the classic car insurance, you will have to deal with this emissions stuff every year and will end up hating your car.

Happiness is a full can of high build primer

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 11:58AM
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Thanks Pommie!

That's part of my problem. Being a brand new owner of a Mini, I haven't touched a carb in years. I definitely want to learn to do it all myself. Any words of wisdom…or chance you could give me a hand?

I had a referral to Coventry Motors, but I've heard they're pretty pricey. 

Dan 

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 11:45AM
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sportscar service center on curry rd have a sniffer, as mentioned above get your mixture right first before thinking about a cat. I have a cat/mid pipe your welcome to use

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 Posted: Jun-24-2008 07:52AM
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Find a garage with an exhaust gas analyser and take it there to have the mixture adjusted. In BC the testing costs $25 so only 1 fail represents the cost to have it professionally adjusted.

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 07:39AM
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Thanks for the Link.

Not sure what to do. This is going to be my "Daily Driver". Although I only put 4K-6K a year on, I don't think I would qualify for Classic Insurance. I think I may tinker some more and try again.

Has anyone else here in AZ gotten a "Referee" on their catalytic converter? They looked under the car and weren't sure if it was a catalytic or not and said I had to go to yet another Department to have it looked at.

Dan 

 Posted: Jun-24-2008 07:30AM
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Here's a link to the thread xcc_rider referred to:

http://www.minimania.com/web/threadid/92586/InfoID/1/SiteMessages/1/msgthread.cfm

      Thanks 

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 Posted: Jun-24-2008 06:57AM
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Dan, do an advanced search and find the thread about emmissions testing and registration in Arizona. It was on here a week or two ago and it had a lot of good information for you to read through. It may have even been Pommie's thread. The gist of it was to do as Pommie says, classic insurance, some form of documentation form the insurance company and no smog test requirement.

Search, read, and do...   and never have to smog it again!   dan

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 Posted: Jun-24-2008 04:49AM
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easiest way is to get classic car insurance and then your exempt from emissions

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 Posted: Jun-23-2008 10:13PM
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Originally Posted by IK

bolt on a catalytic converter off a modern EFI car. Instant pass. Should be able to borrow one as they cn be expensive because thay have some rare metal in them or sumthing Like that. If you can find one cheap at a scrappy that knows nothing !bonus!! just buy some flanges and bolt it on after your shakker pipe unter the car or befor your muffler and when its done unbolt it and re bolt the muffler back on where it was. Here are some examples. this is the best i can come up with the other involes going down to a tuning station and getting it tuned, the above also works if they are unable to tune it for some reason.

You can't just slap on a cat and get an 'instant pass'. 
A cat isn't very useful on a car that is spewing unburnt fuel.  A cat would be turned to crap VERY quickly if the engine is burning as rich as described in the original post.  A cat isn't very useful on a car that doesn't have an o2 sensor after the cat or an ecu to read it and adjust the mixture accordingly.  Cat's are not easily available at scrap yards in the US.  Most of them get sold to metal recyclers as soon as the car hits the field because one can get a few hundred in scrap Palladium, Titanium, and a few other heavy precious metals.  And in the US, if you did find a cat, chances are the connector pipes on either end would be waay too big to connect up to the Mini's 2 inch (at largest) pea shooter exhaust systems.
DESmon needs to figure out what is up with his air/fuel mix... 

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 Posted: Jun-23-2008 09:25PM
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bolt on a catalytic converter off a modern EFI car. Instant pass. Should be able to borrow one as they cn be expensive  because thay have some rare metal in them or sumthing Like that. If you can find one cheap at a scrappy that knows nothing !bonus!! just buy some flanges and bolt it on after your shakker pipe unter the car or befor your muffler and when its done unbolt it and re bolt the muffler back on where it was. Here are some examples. this is the best i can come up with the other involes going down to a tuning station and getting it tuned, the above also works if they are unable to tune it for some reason.

 

 

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=Headers======Catalytic converter=====Muffler=====Tail pipe===< 

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 ==Headers===Shaker Pipe====Cat.===Muffler=====Tail pipe===< 

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 Posted: Jun-23-2008 09:12PM
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I kind of figured I would fail the first go around. I think may carb is running rich. The smell of gas is pretty strong and the idle isn't smooth. Haynes says to push on the piston lifting spring to test the fuel mixture, but I can't find the stupid thing.  I have a HIF38 carb. Any help would be great. Also, if anyone has any ideas for getting through Arizona Emissions I would be eternally grateful.

Dan 

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