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Modernizing The Headlight

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Jun-23-2008 07:36PM QuickSilver   847509
Jun-23-2008 05:34PM watson   847494
Jun-23-2008 03:46PM jeg   847474
Jun-23-2008 02:22PM dved   847456
Jun-23-2008 12:24PM dklawson   847444
Jun-22-2008 11:38AM dklawson   847222
Jun-22-2008 10:55AM Alex   847219
Jun-22-2008 10:17AM dklawson   847210
Jun-22-2008 09:06AM Alex   847203
Jun-22-2008 06:30AM QuickSilver   847184
Jun-22-2008 06:13AM dklawson   847181
Jun-22-2008 05:20AM QuickSilver   847171
Jun-22-2008 05:19AM QuickSilver   847170
Jun-22-2008 05:14AM xcc_rider   847168
Jun-22-2008 02:43AM 1963S   847154
Jun-22-2008 12:13AM mur   847147
Jun-21-2008 11:54PM Alex   847144
Jun-21-2008 04:36PM QuickSilver   847082
Jun-21-2008 04:29PM kerr   847079
Jun-21-2008 04:11PM QuickSilver   847074

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 Posted: Jun-23-2008 07:36PM
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Thanks for all the solid info. I will report back with my progress.

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 Posted: Jun-23-2008 05:34PM
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There's also some good info here: http://www.dimebank.com/Light-up.html

http://www.dimebank.com/Light-up.html

 Posted: Jun-23-2008 03:46PM
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I used Doug's schematic four years ago when I installed a set of Wipac Quadoptic lamps.  I've modified the drawing by adding some color to it. 

 My copy can be found here: 

http://s193.photobucket.com/albums/z130/americanbam96/Diagrams/?action=view&current=Relay_Panel_modified_DKLawson_kopi-.jpg 

 Posted: Jun-23-2008 02:22PM
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QS, is this what you're looking for?

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11529

 Posted: Jun-23-2008 12:24PM
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QS, I'm sure I have a schematic somewhere at home but I couldn't find it last night.

Advance Auto Wire is going out of business following the death of their owner.  Until further notice, the family is keeping the web site up as a technical resource.  There is an excellent schematic of the headlight relay circuit there.


Please visit:
http://www.advanceautowire.com/
and on the home page, look down the left side of the screen and click on the link for "Headlight Relay Kit".  There is a schematic there showing you what to do. 

"To Power Source" would be the hot terminal on the solenoid.  The relay terminal numbers are for the standard 30A ISO/Bosch type relay.  The wire colors shown correspond to the standard Lucas scheme for the headlight wiring.

Doug L.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 11:38AM
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Even so, the toggle switches are expensive and the relays are cheap insurance.  Again, an additional benefit reported by many (depending on the condition of their car's wiring and switch contacts) is that even standard headlights appear brighter when the relays are added.

QS, while I look, you may want to visit the Victoria British web site and look up part number 10-679.  That's a headlight relay kit for $30.  It's not on a panel but it has everything you need to add two ISO/Bosch relays to the headlight circuit of LBCs.  I don't believe our host sells anything close so they shouldn't mind the referral.  Until recently you could buy a sophisticated relay kit from AdvanceAutoWire.com.  They recently had a death in the family and were closing down operations last month.

Doug L.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 10:55AM
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But the Moke has (or should have) 'proper' toggle switches, not modern el-crappo ones.

Metric is for people who can't do fractions.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 10:17AM
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Alex, you wont' get an argument from me. Power is power, current is current.  However, cheap switches that are marginal remain cheap switches that are marginal.  The relays take virtually all the load off the dash switches.  It takes some time to make and install the panel but once it's there you have switches with virtually infinite life and relays that are universally available, cheap, and easy to replace should they ever fail.

QS, I'll see what I can find.

Doug L.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 09:06AM
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I've never seen a problem with running standard issue 55w halogen bulbs though the wiring as is. I've done it on many many cars, and the majority of Mini drivers over here who aren't concours nutters do the conversion as a matter of course.
If you go higher than 55w then obviously you need to pop a relay in.

55w is 55w regardless of whether it goes through a halogen bulb, a sealed beam or a foghorn...

Metric is for people who can't do fractions.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 06:30AM
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You know Doug I believe that you were a participant on that thread, this was years ago. Do you per chance remember and still have the schematics that I think you submitted?

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 Posted: Jun-22-2008 06:13AM
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I'm solidly in Mur's camp.  The switches aren't really up to the task of the higher current of the halogens and replacement switches are expensive.  Making or buying a relay panel will protect the dash wiring and switches and in most cases improves the brightness of the lamps... even if they are traditional, non-halogen, sealed beams.

By adding an additional momentary contact pushbutton to a relay circuit you can also add a headlight flasher function to older cars like mine that have no provisions for it.

Doug L.

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 05:20AM
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Originally Posted by Alex
You only really need to rewire for relays if you're putting stupidly bright and illegal bulbs in, or adding a pile of driving lights - which should be piggybacked through a relay anyway.
Or if you want to modernize your car like I want to do? 

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 Posted: Jun-22-2008 05:19AM
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Originally Posted by 1963S
You buy a couple of relays and a few bits of wire - what's to kit?? If you're going to upgrade lights (here in the land of the giant grasshopper I have 2x100 watt headlights + 2x100 watt spots) then relays are a good idea; both to protect old switches etc and to provide as much power to the bulbs as possible. Cheers, Ian
Ian, not all of us are electrically gifted. A gift simplifies it for me. 

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 Posted: Jun-22-2008 05:14AM
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Quick,  if you're in the land of road range animals (steers and deers) then go with a standard low beam and a 100 watt(is) high beam. Relay both, replace the wiring and headlamp socket with a modern version with heavier wires and you'll actually SEE what can destroy your Moke.  A couple of driving lights would help too. Nothing worse than hitting an animal 3X the cars weight.   dan

"I don't know much, but what I do know I know little of "

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 02:43AM
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You buy a couple of relays and a few bits of wire - what's to kit??

If you're going to upgrade lights (here in the land of the giant grasshopper I have 2x100 watt headlights + 2x100 watt spots) then relays are a good idea; both to protect old switches etc and to provide as much power to the bulbs as possible.

Cheers, Ian

 Posted: Jun-22-2008 12:13AM
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I think the switches from mk III onwards just can't properly power a regular halogen light for any length of time.  A pair of relays protects the headlamps switch and the dimmer switch, provides full voltage to the headlamps and they in turn work better and have the full service life that can be expected of them.

So do it. 

 Posted: Jun-21-2008 11:54PM
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You only really need to rewire for relays if you're putting stupidly bright and illegal bulbs in, or adding a pile of driving lights - which should be piggybacked through a relay anyway.

Metric is for people who can't do fractions.

 Posted: Jun-21-2008 04:36PM
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In the right direction thanks.

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 Posted: Jun-21-2008 04:29PM
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http://www.minimania.com/web/threadid/92602/InfoID/1/SiteMessages/10/msgthread.cfm

is this any help?

 Posted: Jun-21-2008 04:11PM
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Many moons ago we discussed the benefits fo adding relays to the headlight. A member (I forgot the suspect) actually did this and I think offered it as a kit for others.

Whom might this be? 

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