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Is the starter motor in a Metro motor (non turbo late 80's) the same

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May-08-2008 11:58AM Spitz   838835
May-08-2008 11:46AM Swift Justice   838833
May-08-2008 11:43AM Cheleker   838832
May-08-2008 11:15AM H82WRK   838827
May-08-2008 08:06AM QuickSilver Edited: May-08-2008 11:20AM   838802
May-08-2008 08:06AM QuickSilver   838801
May-08-2008 07:50AM turbodave   838797
May-07-2008 03:02PM partsguy1   838702
May-07-2008 02:55PM Swift Justice   838700
May-07-2008 02:38PM Cheleker Edited: May-07-2008 02:40PM   838696
May-07-2008 01:08PM QuickSilver   838681
May-07-2008 01:00PM partsguy1   838678
May-07-2008 12:01PM Cheleker   838674
May-07-2008 11:14AM wadetate   838663
May-07-2008 08:35AM Swift Justice Edited: May-07-2008 08:43AM   838642
May-07-2008 08:27AM H82WRK   838638
May-07-2008 07:59AM partsguy1 Edited: May-07-2008 08:00AM   838632
May-07-2008 07:18AM theminimark   838626
May-07-2008 04:34AM H82WRK   838599

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 Posted: May-08-2008 11:58AM
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This is what you have on there now:

http://www.minimania.com/web/Item/LRS102/AddedFrom/Search2%2DSTARTER/InvDetail.cfm

 

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 Posted: May-08-2008 11:46AM
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Well, based on your picture your current starter is an early type non-engaged, so you can't go wrong with replacing it with one of the same type.

Steve

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 Posted: May-08-2008 11:43AM
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Under Articles/Technical Information/Genera there is an article on Mini identification which includes engine information.

 Posted: May-08-2008 11:15AM
H82WRK
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You know what? I don't mean to sound dumb but I think I am more confused now on what I should buy than before? What am I missing or not understanding here? Am I preengaged or not am I an A+? oh no, help!!

Grille still holding steady!

 Posted: May-08-2008 08:06AM
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Originally Posted by turbodave
IIRC - You could get the verto with both starter motor types in the metro. In the mini, the verto was only with the later pre-engaged starter.

I think this was my nemesis.

A verto (orale holmes), A+ motor from a Metro with an older engaged starter. How very fun indeed.

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 Posted: May-08-2008 08:06AM
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Quickie,

If the flywheel gear had been changed around then wouldn't it already be using a pre-engaged starter instead of the old style non-engaged? 

What happened to me was that I bought a used A+ engine that didn't have a starter. I drove back to the outfitter and got a starter based on the engine being A+. When I got home it wouldn't fit. I went back and confirned that teh engine is A+ but the ring gear (with pic) is from an A series. The clutch was even Verto.

Not sure if my explanantion is making sense but since then I look at the ring gear to tell me what starter I need.

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 Posted: May-08-2008 07:50AM
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IIRC - You could get the verto with both starter motor types in the metro. In the mini, the verto was only with the later pre-engaged starter.





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 Posted: May-07-2008 03:02PM
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Yup Chuck, 7 slat Morris Grill, no spacers........... like I said, it fits....... just.

Terry 

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 Posted: May-07-2008 02:55PM
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Quickie,

If the flywheel gear had been changed around then wouldn't it already be using a pre-engaged starter instead of the old style non-engaged? 

Steve

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 Posted: May-07-2008 02:38PM
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Terry. Nice photo. That starter behind a Mk I grille? And not spaced out? If so, then I stand corrected. The only time I ran into that set up, there wasn't enough clearance. Maybe the front end had been bashed and rebuild poorly on that car.

Looks like you had to do some wire rerouting, but it does fit. One more coat of paint on the starter solenoid and it wouldn't have!

 Posted: May-07-2008 01:08PM
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It's all relative.

The flywheel gear may have been changed also.

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 Posted: May-07-2008 01:00PM
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Not sure what you mean Chuck?

Terry 

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 Posted: May-07-2008 12:01PM
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Just don't try a Metro starter on a Mk I with a proper Mk I grille!

 Posted: May-07-2008 11:14AM
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I kind of like the Red Bull coil "cover"

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 Posted: May-07-2008 08:35AM
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Looks like you have a later A+ block but with an A pre-verto clutch and an early type non-engaged starter (kind of a bitsa motor).  A later pre-engaged starter will not work on your car without significant modification (pulling the engine and flipping around the ring gear on the flywheel).  Fortunately, the early starters are cheaper than the pre-engaged type.

It may be simply that the bendix is starting to stick on the starter shaft as is spins down to engage the flywheel- you might pull the starter and clean the shaft of any grease or oil and relube with dry graphite only.  Could also be the brushes in the motor going out - the early starters are eminently rebuildable, but might was well buy a rebuilt one.

Steve

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 Posted: May-07-2008 08:27AM
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Do either of these pictures help?

Grille still holding steady!

 Posted: May-07-2008 07:59AM
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Metro pre-engaged Starter will fit, the solenoid will just clear the Grill. The mini version has the Solenoid sitting at the 12 0'clock position, while the Metro version is more like at the 11 O'clock position.

That having been said, I have an 89 Metro in my 1965 with a Slat Grill and it fits......... just. 

Clunking in the front end may be a Knuckle Joint or Ball Joint or Wheel Bearing that needs replacing, or your CV nut has come loose. Hard to say, would need to do the wiggle test to confirm this.

Keep us posted, Terry 

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 Posted: May-07-2008 07:18AM
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I'm not sure about the starter exactly, but I think I have a memory about the "clocking" of starter from Metro to Mini. ( ? Maybe the solenoid? )  I'm assuming you are attempting a Metro because you have later A+ Mini parts. Double check where the stuff like the solenoid, connections, etc are located by looking at the end and thinking about hands on a clock face.

Best of luck on that clunk.  Don't rule out wheel bearings and suspension and subframe rubber mounts ( once again, if later Mini )

Best regards,

MSH

 Posted: May-07-2008 04:34AM
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as a Mini? I have a feeling mine is going out as it does not want to "engage" sometimes, ironically when the engine is warm. So I want to be prepared and go ahead and get one but I have no idea which one to get?

Also having some loud clunking noice from the right front (if you are sitting in the car) tire area, almost sounds like a shock bottoming out, only occurs on bumps (large and small), checked all the suspension stuff and it is all tight, any idea what else I should check? anyway to check to see if the shock is bad?

Thanks so much!

 

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